W.P.P.F Saturday August 2nd 2008

[bigdaddyoswa]

[lexmark]

This could be the worse roster in the history of wrestling.

[wazoo]

What? No Piper, Bob Orton, Greg Valentine or Jamie Dundee? The past caught up with this guy

[fatherofaraging1]

Looks like a decent show to me. Congrats to the new crowned champion. I wish WPPF the best in all their future shows and endevours.

[bigdaddyoswa]

What just because I don't use names on the card everbody want's to downgrade us but hey thats cool

[styles11]

Matt Cage for President.

Commish
Matt Styles

[styles11]

I also have something to add about the WPPF. I was involved with this from the time the name changed. I have no problem saying who I am. I was going to help big Daddy run this show.
But after trying for a few weeks. I found out it was not as easy as I though it would be. I had to leave my post as Vice President.
I did have a great time and learned alot. I got to meet a few people I watched on T.V growing up. The Hammer and Bob Orton.
enough about me.

As far as Big daddy goes. I think you guys should cut the guy some slack.. I am new to this board and don't wanna stir up a big mess or beat a dead horse. But I am sure most of the people posting or here are guys that did not get booked or guys that did not get the 10 bucks for working the show. Really if you are complaining about 10 bucks then maybe you are in the wrong business. Maybe you should try and get a job instead of trolling a message board all day. Seriously crying over 10 bucks..

Alot of his guys that come in are just happy to be working and they are good guys in and out of the ring. Guys like Matt Cage who will something be off to bigger and better things, Also the guys he comes down with.

The few guys that come for Peoria.. Gavin Alexander, Abuse of Power and Cherry.. These guys are a class act hands down.
I know it gets a little ruff, But guess what I am sure these guys whould agree with me, Even if they don't get paid, They are lucky enough to have a place to showcase there talents and gain some experince. I know other shows have more money and things are probally ran a little better but Big Daddy's heart is in the right place, But this is not easy. If you douters out there think you can do better then start you own promotion and try to put on some good shows. And if you already do and are doing well then great for you, You must be doing something right. Instead of bashing the man why not try helping the man out. There is alot of room for Indy Wrestling in this area and maybe if everyone would work together you could build something everyone could be happy to work with and be around.. If you don't like the guy then stop thinking about him.. I mean write it off as a bad descision for taking the booking or getting involved and move on alot worse things could happen..

I hope no one got offened by this post and if so sorry.. Hey Stuff happens suck it up and move on..

Matt Cage I will be waiting for you on Aug 2nd.


Commish..

Styles

[wazoo]

backyard wrestling live at don's pub donahue iowa

[Chicago Sucks!]

For the record, the Atlanta Eight trained with Elix Skipper and Mr. Hughes, so they are definitely NOT backyarders. But they've only been at it for at most two years.

[fatherofaraging1]

For the record as well Mr. Wazoo Trent Scott & Noktiss happen to be training with the TOP Indepnedet Wrestling Promotion in Illinois and yes I am talking about AAW. They also work for Scott County Wrestling and I for one know that SCW DOES NOT USE BACKYARDERS. I think you need to do some more research on whose trained and who isn't. As far as WPPF not using names on this show it shouldn't matter if you like the product then you should support it anyway... Look at most Indy Feds these days... Not all of them bring in names every show because you don't have to bring in a name every show for your fed to look good. I believe what they are trying to do at this time is establish their talent and showcase it before brining more names in. They are trying to familiarize their fan base with their talent weather it be old or new. I know a lot of people probably think I'm out of my head for defending WPPF now, but the owner & I have decided to let bygones be bygones and honestly Big Daddy nor OSWA never did wrong by me... The only thing I can say bad is I wasn't given credit for some things that I did for them but it doesn't matter because I got my time to shine and thats all that really mattered to me. I for one greatly enjoyed working for OSWA (now WPPF) I met a lot of great people and got to see some old faces that I hadn't seen in quite some time, it was also nice to work in a new area and see what the area was like from what I remember it back when I used to go to NWA No Limits. WPPF is trying their best to give fans the best show that they can and I believe with Cowboy Bob Orton as their Heavyweight Champion that they are taking the right steps in giving their fans the best show possible. OSWA also did a HUGE favor for WWA if I remember correctly when WWA did the Zack Moreland Benefit show and OSWA ran the night before OSWA donated some of their profit to the Zack Moreland Benefit helping WWA raise over 1,000 for Zack Moreland. So rip on OSWA all you want, but they're out there helping good causes not to mention that this past weekends show was a Benefit show as well for those in the flooding area of IA. Now I know a lot of people will probably rip on me because of this reason or that reason, but I don't really care the fact of the matter is opinions are like assholes and everyones got one and it may not agree with someone else's.

I have been around the block a few times and I know one thing for sure you have to make money to have money to pay your workers... if the money isn't there then you cant pay your workers and sometimes this happens all a promoter can do is learn from their mistake and advertise a bit better the next time and also take into consideration the other local events going on or around the town your running in and try to avoid having a show around some of these events. People on here need to take that into consideration and that not every fed has a big budget like some of the TOP notch feds. People also need to realize and I was told this when I started in this business Independent Wrestling wont pay your bills. As far as someone complaining over 10 dollars... I have to disagree with that if the booking fee was set at 10 dollars then thats what the worker should be paid. The agreed price should always be paid, however if the promoter and the worker have set a price and the worker comes to the show and demands more money it shouldn't be paid because a price was already set and vise versa if a worker and promoter have a set price and the promoter tries to lower the price on the worker does have every right to complain with that being said if the worker has a set price and doesn't make his pay roll then the promoter and the worker need to talk about arrangements for payment in the future. My theory is (and not to bash on anyone) but if your a promoter and you know you have a show coming up you should try to have 75% of the funding to produce the show by the day of the show, thus you don't have to depend on what you make from the door. The way you accomplish this is sell merchandise and tickets online and at your sponsors locations. Also if you can afford to do it open a training school or have Training Camps the day off the show because this will ensure that you make your payroll and that the money needed to produce the show is there in full. Now when I say 75% of the funding I mean building, talent, advertisement, & etc. I'm not talking about just your talent. As a promoter it is your responsibility to make sure that everything is paid for and everyone is paid. Now if you have some one show up that you didn't expect to show up and demand pay then you talk with them because they're not on your payroll and you weren't contacted that they should be paid so in my eyes they shouldn't be paid. It's the job of the worker to notify the promoter that they have a third party coming with them that needs to be paid and it's the promoters job to respond right away with an answer. It is also a promoters job to come up with storylines and direction for the workers in which they have working for them. If you have a worker and don't have direction for them then maybe it's time you rethink if you want them as a part of your roster. Storylines are what keeps the fans coming back without them your fan base may lose interest... with that being said your storylines not only have to make since to your workers but to your fans as well. Having direction for your workers is always a good idea because it lets your workers know that your glad you have them working for you and you appreciate what they are doing for your company. Promoters should also have not only a since in business but a since in money management (ex. if you cant pay your own bills you have no business owning your own business.) Promoters also have a loyalty to pay to the fans that being that they are doing what they can to keep their product fresh and exciting. Seeing the same thing happen all the times gets boring and its always nice to see fresh new faces and a name every now and again. Fans also like to see different types of matches from time to time and one thing fans love more then anything is interaction with the wrestlers or to feel as if they are a part of the show or the organization thus having a street team is always a good idea. Fans love partaking in contests thus Poster Contests, Costume Contests & other sorts of contests and or raffles are goos ideas. It's also a good idea to give back to the fans for their loyalty to you (ex. brining in a name) but you can't do it all the time or the fans will expect it. A promoters attitude should be how can I beat that. You always want outdo yourself. You always want your next show to be better then the one before it and what I mean by that is simply this... do something a bit differently at the next show you have then the one you had before it... do something that will make it more exciting and that will keep the fans wanting to come back for more.. Fans should see a name being brought in a treat and not something that should be expected from the promoter. The promoter should always think what can I do to keep the fans on the edges of their seats and keep them coming back for more. Promoters also have a job of making sure that their locker room is a comfortable place for everyone on the roster. A locker room/roster should be like a family. A workers attitude should always be what can I do to better myself or how can I better myself. There are a lot of egotistical locker rooms out there these days... why? because of egotistical people that think they are better then everyone else and some of them maybe better the others... the other reason is rookies that think that their better then the veterans... I for one was taught to ALWAYS pay respect to those that have been in the business longer then you. Workers should also never let any personal factors come with them when they walk in the door of any organization I was always told what happens outside if the ring is no one else's business but your own and what happens outside of the ring stays outside of the ring. As a promoter you should make sure that the talent you have is dependable especially your champions and that when you put your title on someone you make sure that they can be there. As your champion they should pay loyalty to you and if they cant be loyal then maybe you need a new champion. Fans like to see the titles defended and if you have a champion that doesn't defend their title on a regular basis then the fans will be wondering why they are your champion. Promoters also have the responsibility of making sure the talent they advertise is not only booked and confirmed but making sure that the talent advertised will be there ***Card Subject To Change*** only gets you so far. As a promoter you should make sure who you announce isn't already booked and that you confirm that they will be at your event. As a worker it is your duty to inform a promoter in advance if you can not make a show in a reasonable amount of time before the upcoming show so they have time to find a replacement. We all understand that accidents and family emergencies do happen but it is your job to inform your promoter and the organization(s) that you work for that you wont be able to make the event. As a promoter it is also your job to make sure that you have extra talent on hand in case someone doesn't show up thus you can replace them. Another job you have as a promoter is to make your that your shows & company are organized. Its called an organization for a reason. Thus making sure you know what your card is going to be and that if changes need to me made to the card it is done before doors open for that show. As as promoter you should know everything that goes on at your show and in your organization thus accidents and things don't go the wrong way. Your workers should know what storylines they are going to be involved in before the show goes on, not at the last minute. It is your job as a promoter to make sure the ring your workers are working in is safe for your workers and that it will hold up to a reasonable amount of weight. If your a promoter that runs all ages shows then it is your job to make sure the level of violence is suitable for children. If your running a hardcore match then it is your job to make sure the level of violence doesn't get too out of hand to where you have parents complaining and if a match may be too violent for children it is your job to make sure the that fans are informed that said match will be brutal. Another duty you have is to make sure that profanity at your shows is kept to a minimum weather it be by your fans or your workers. Promoters & workers should also take into consideration that kids do look up to them and should not smoke, drink, or do drugs around the children. As a promoter it is your job to stop any activities that could make fans think less of your promotion happen. I for one believe that workers should not be allowed to use drugs or alcohol before a show because it can not only endanger the worker but can also endanger the worker that they are wrestling that night and could over all hurt the reputation of your company. What they do after the show and away from the venue your running at is their own business. I also do not agree with wrestlers having sex with members of the audience... this happened at a local organization down here and hurt the fan base. Remember everything that your workers do is taken into consideration for your reputation. Now members of the audience dating the wrestlers is a different story, but wrestlers hooking up with members of the audience is something I don't agree with. As a promoter your in charge and should not take demands from any of your workers. If they don't like the way you do things or the way you want things done then maybe it's time that they start looking for another promotion to work for. As a promoter you also must insure that nudity is kept to a minimum as well as sexual acts or anything of a sexual nature... if your doing a storyline with it then it's different, but not everyone wants to see nudity at a show especially parents with small children. As a worker you should know limits and boundaries of people and as a promoter you should not these limits or boundaries be broken. It is also a good idea to have contracts with your workers for not only medical but to ensure that on said dates they will be there... Its essential to do this with names and your champions to ensure the fans are going to be getting what they paid for. As a promoter you must make sure that anything said during a show isn't offensive to any fans no matter what the nature of what they're talking about may be. Promoters also take note that your heels aren't out there to make jokes and get "cheap heat" they should be out the to be intimidating. One thing I learned from the Spike Dudley Training Seminar was to keep cheap heat and responses that will only make the fans laugh at you to a minimum. Promoters should also work on establishing the talent they have before bringing in names. Names are usually used to put your talent over, but if you want to put your strap on a name it's not a bad thing, just make sure that you can top it. Names are genuinely brought in to make your talent look better (ex. Raven Vs. C.M. Punk... back when Punk was the champ at RCW... By beating Raven it made Punk look like a Better Champion and an unstoppable force in RCW) thats what all promoters should be doing. Promoters should always think what can I do to make my talent look better. One thing Spike taught me was this your attitude should always be when going into a match how can I put him over and your opponents attitude should be the same way... what I mean by put over is how can I make my opponent look good and if all parties in match do that the the matches that they have will be outstanding. Promoters that use rankings should note that they are usually based on a win/lose basis. When having Number One Contenders Matches you must ensure that the winner of the match gets a title shot in a reasonable amount of time. A wrestling promotion should be run like a business because that's what it is. Promoters & Workers should take into consideration that the sexuality of any worker shouldn't matter and should not be questioned. As there are people in this business that have different sexual preferences then most people in the business. Promoters shouldn't allow any kind of racial or any kind of negative remarks be made in the locker room. I believe a locker room should be run like a team and that is everyone needs to work together to make the company succeed. All promoters should be willing to pay tribute to those that have passed on and be willing to hold charity events/benefit shows. It won't hurt your companies reputation... it will only better it, sure you wont be making money off of it, but you will be helping a good cause. A prime example of a great benefit show was Fighting 4 The Cure. Promoters should be willing to at least do one Charity show a year. If every promotion were to do a benefit show for a different organization (ex WWA doing MDA) or even if one company did a different organization each year then people would see the good things that wrestling does. Doing Fund Raisers is also another great way to help your organization's reputation as long as they're done right and the money goes to what the fund raiser was for. Promoters need to also make sure that who they are brining is was indeed trained for what they will be doing and that they don't falsify their documentation. As a promoter you can he held responsible for any injuries that happen to your workers at your shows... thus it is a good idea to have an insurance policy. We all know that wrestlings fake, but as a promoter it's your job to make sure that your shows look as REAL as possible to keep the illusion alive. When establishing a company you should try to make sure that the name your using isn't trademarked and that the logos that you have are under your copyright. Thus it's a good idea to research organization names. As far as show names go try to think of something unique but sometimes someone else is going to have the same idea as you. This is Indy Wrestling there are going to be other organizations that run with the same show name as you and workers you may find that other people work under the same name as you. It happens. If your serving alcohol at your shows and you know the bartender have a cut off point for everyone because your fans do have to drive home thus not causing any trouble at the end of your shows. It is also a good idea to have autograph signings before the show at one of your sponsors and during intermission. Also you may want to sell VIP Passes that allow fans in an hour early to meet & greet the workers. Meet & Greets are getting over with the fans these days. One thing that OSWA did that I liked was they had a lot of show dates announced at one time and they did what they called the gold ticket. Basically it was admission for a few upcoming shows at a lower price then what you'd pay if you were to pay the ticket price for each show. You can even do this if your running training camps. However, the gold tickets were only available at the shows and not available at ticket outlets, thus meaning that you were getting a great deal. I believe having your schedule announced is a great idea it lets fans know in advance where your going to be and when. As far as saying that anyone can open their own wrestling promotion... its not that easy it takes a lot of hard work and well it does take a good chunk of money, but it pays off in the end to see the smiling faces of the fans. Not anyone can run a promotion they must have a since of business, know what a wrestling promotion should be run like, a since of money management and have been in the wrestling business for a good period of time. I for one believe that someone that knows nothing about the wrestling business shouldn't be in it. Too many marks out there these days that think they can run their own company... If you know nothing about wrestling you have no right being in this business because all thats gonna happen in the end is your gonna end up hurt, taken advantage of, or flat broke. If your looking to get into this business go to a few shows and find a promotion that you really like and would be interested in working for. Talking to the promoter. Find a CREDITABLE trainer, get FULLY trained, listen to what people have have been in this business longer then you tell you and defiantly keep your mouth shut and listen. If your on a tight budget talk to your trainer about a payment plan because a lot of trainers are more then willing to work with you. Once you've done this then you will have room to talk. Once you've accomplished something in this business and have some years of experience under your belt then you have the right to say anything... and take not that this is a business that you never stop learning in. Pay your dues in this business and just take the sh*t that people give you and is thrown at you... in the end it will get somewhere and take all the advice you can get from anyone. Never shut anyone out because all their trying to do is help you better yourself. You may think that they're being mean or their out to get you, but its not true a lot of guys out there just want you see succeed and go far in this business. They want to help get the next generation of Wrestlers ready. Be willing to do anything that you can to help that company in which your associated with out. Promoters and Workers should never kayfabe and if they have surprises and upcoming things should keep it told to people that they trust and needed parties you don't want that kind of information leaking out. Promoters it takes a lot more then flyers and word of mouth to pull a good crowd these days. It may cost more money but in the end it will be worth it and you will see the results. You can have the best product in the world but if no one knows where it's at it won't matter. Also if you can get a TV deal take it. It's only going to help your promotion in the end by reaching more people and helping brining in more people to your shows. Also if your doing having your shows recorded make sure the quality of the footage is good because Youtube is booming these days. I do believe it's a good idea to use Youtube and have videos on your website. Also make your website isn't too crowded in one place and that people on your website can find what their looking for easily. Make sure that it's also updated. People that can't make the show don't like waiting around for results. Also make sure the venue your running in has good lighting because if you have a photographer it is hard to get good shots with poor lighting.

Think what you want of me, but I do have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about and I don't care what people think of me.

[wazoo]

SCW is light years ahead of this promotion and I never said SCW uses backyarders just sayin'
BTW I talked to Piper in Waterloo IA and he had never heard of OSWA so so much for truth in advertising

[bigdaddyoswa]

Jonny Bliss vs Trent Scott

Caz vs Mr. Masked Man

Gavin Alexander vs Bodyguard Joel

Psycho Dragon vs Felix Skipper

Sgt Murdoch vs Chief Attakullakulla

WPPF NEW WAVE CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
"Mr. Every Damn Night' Matt Cage (Champion) vs BJ Ruins

WPPF TAG TEAM TITLE MATCH
Big Daddy Destruction/Noktiis (Champions) vs Abuse of Power

[wwastaff]

OSWA also did a HUGE favor for WWA if I remember correctly when WWA did the Zack Moreland Benefit show and OSWA ran the night before OSWA donated some of their profit to the Zack Moreland Benefit helping WWA raise over 1,000 for Zack Moreland.

That is incorrect. WWA raised over $1000 on their own for Zack. The money that OSWA raised was donated separately.

Thank You
WWA Staff

[TALON]

You know who I really feel for on this? Abuse of Power! They're good kids who deserve better.

[bigdaddyoswa]

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